Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

Posted by perezoso on 27 August, 2008 07:45

If secondary sources are to be believed, such as this one, then CDC's PR hacks have sallied forth with a pack of lies about their patent claims on Indonesian, Thai, and other H5N1 genes, which were first brought into the public eye by this blog.

There are two main arguments that CDC has been quoted to me as making with respect to my article and related items that have come out in the press.  I will refute both of CDC's claims.

First, CDC is said to have rather remarkably claimed that they aren't part of the patent application.  This is patent bullshit, as I will show.  Secondly, and somewhat contradictorily, CDC's hacks are said to claim that the patent application is (to paraphrase), "for a vaccine and not a virus, so the Indonesian and other strains aren't claimed."  This too is wrong. To demonstrate that, I will walk readers through the text of one of the (many) claims, so you can read it for yourself.  The claims analysis is a bit tedious; but it's not rocket science.  Wade through it, and you will be rewarded with a clear explanation of why CDC is wrong.  We'll deal with the CDC arguments one by one:

First, CDC is said to have bizarrely claimed that they aren't part of the patent application. This would be a remarkable thing for the CDC hack to say, because CDC is indicated as a patent applicant on the first page of patent application (quoting directly):

APPLICANTS: THE GOVERMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AS REPRESENTED BY THE SECRETARY, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES [US/US]; National Institutes of Health,, Office of Technology Transfer, 6011 Executive Blvd., Suite 325, Rockvillle, Maryland 20852-3804 (US) (All Except US).

THE GOVERMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AS REPRESENTED BY THE SECRETARY, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES [US/US]; Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 4770 Biford Hwy (K79), Atlanta, Georgia 30333 (US) (All Except US).

Clear as can be. Is there really a need to say more? There shouldn't be; but I'm afraid there is.

That's because an ancillary argument that the CDC hacks are said to be advancing is that the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) is really responsible for this and CDC should not be held accountable for its name on the patent. 

Off the top, I find it very hard to believe that a patent application can be submitted in CDC's name without CDC knowing about it. But more importantly, this CDC red herring needs to be put into context.  Both CDC and NIH are part of the US Department of Health and Human Services (i.e. the health ministry).  CDC hosts the WHO Collaborating Centre, and both it and NIH conduct flu research. And while it is true that most of the inventors listed in the application are from NIH, it's more than slightly disingenuous for CDC to try to beg off by foisting the blame on its HHS sister institute. In the international context, it's simply not credible to have one half of the health ministry (CDC) saying "no patents", while it is passing the material to the other half of the health ministry which is patenting away. So, in many senses, whether it is CDC or NIH or both is immaterial, because they are ultimately part of the same organzation (HHS) that has a WHO Collaborating Centre.

Turning to the claims analysis: CDC's hacks are said to have claimed that the patent application is (to paraphrase), "for a vaccine and not a virus, so the Indonesian and other strains aren't claimed."

The government spokesman bullshit detector of anyone with a whit of common sense would start ringing loudly just looking at the cover page of the patent (click it), which has an illustration of a genetic construct, claimed in the patent, that incorporates the "codon optimized" HA gene of A/Indonesia/5/05.  It even says so right on the picture.

Could it be any clearer?  Not really; but just be sure, we can turn to the most important part of patent, the claims, where the applicants specifically articulate the alleged invention that they are seeking patent for. Typically (but not always), the first claims are the most important in a patent.  Let's turn to Claim 1 of the CDC/NIH application:

	WHAT IS CLAIMED IS:
		1. A nucleic acid molecule comprising a polynucleotide encoding an influenza
	protein selected from the group consisting of hemagglutinin A (HA),
	neuraminidase (NA), M2 Protein, and nucleoprotein (NP), wherein said
	polynucleotide comprises
			 
	(a) a plasmid taken from Table 1 (or its insert), or
			 
	(b) an analog of said plasmid or insert having at least 95% identity thereto.
	 
	

The first thing to note about this claim is that it is a claim on matter.  That is, it is not merely a claim on the use of a particular type of matter (not that that would make it innocuous), it is a claim to the thing itself, full stop. Specifically this claim is for any polynucleotide (i.e. DNA or RNA) that encodes specific polypeptides (i.e. proteins), including some specific HA, NA, M2, and NP genes from influenza. And for good measure, anything 95% or more like them.

But which specific DNA or RNA is claimed, it's not spelled out explicitly in the quote above?  Good question.

And what does that phrase "or its insert" mean? Another good question. 

If you read the claim again, you will see that determining what specific DNA / RNA is claimed requires referring to "Table 1", and looking at the patent text in order to establish what "insert" means in the context of this patent application.

The meaning of insert can be quickly clarified. It is this:  The plasmids refered to in Claim 1 are longer DNA constructs designed as vaccines, and which are pieced together with genes from multiple organisms.  The picture on the cover page (click above) is one of these plasmids. The "insert" is/are the influenza pieces that are placed into the longer plasmid. Mostly "codon optimized" HA genes that have been copied into DNA from the viral RNA.

So, what's specified in Table 1?  I have extracted Table 1 from the patent application, and you can click here to read it yourself (PDF format).  It is 6 pages long, and includes no fewer than 151 150 separate genetic constructs claimed by NIH/CDC, most of which are either "plasmids" or "inserts". (Remember that the plasmids are claimed in their entirety, including the inserts... which are also claimed apart from the rest of the plasmid.)

If it's a plasmid or an insert in Table 1, then it is claimed.  On the first of the 6 pages of Table 1, there are 8 different constructs incorporating Thai H5N1 genetic material and one plasmid incorporating (i.e. with an "insert") of Indonesian genetic material. On the second page, there are 4 more constructs with Thai material. On the third page, there are 6 plasmids with Chinese (Hong Kong) genetic material, 2 with sequences from South Korea, and another Thai one. On the fourth and fifth pages there are 8 more with Thai genenic material. On the sixth page, there are 2 constructs with Thai genetic material, 6 with Hong Kong genetic material, and 2 with South Korean genetic materials.

The Indonesian construct ("VRC 9123") is the first listed and is the exemplary construct of the invention.  Also, because the Indonesian HA gene is an "insert", it is claimed both as part of the VRC 9123 plasmid and by itself, alone.  The same holds true for the other H5N1 inserts in Table 1.

Then NIH/CDC goes a step further, and says anything 95% or more like those genes is also claimed.

I hope that clarifies the nature and scope of CDC's patent claims.  If CDC representatives have been accurately quoted as saying that they are not part of the patent application and that the application in any event does not claim Indonesian (and other) H5N1 materials, then the CDC representatives are spreading clearly false information, and the leadership of CDC should be reprimanded for permitting them to do so.

[Edited for clarity - 27 Aug PM]

 

 

 

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Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

gsgs | 27/08/2008, 10:29

what's a "CDC PR-Hack" ?
where do they say that "they aren't part of the patent application" ?

in claim 1 I read "or", where you seem to read "and" .

Seems to me that the Indo-virus just serves as an example to demonstrate the principle.

PR Hacks and Matter

perezoso | 27/08/2008, 10:41

perezoso

A "PR Hack" is a public relations person who spins the truth to suit the preferred irreality of his or her employer.

The Indonesian genetic matter is both an example and directly claimed as matter (and use of it to boot). It is claimed as matter because the plasmid bearing the Indonesian insert is listed (the first entry) on Table 1, and all the plasmid and insert nucleotides of Table 1 are claimed as matter.

(The sequences of all of them are provided separately, which is a big reason why the patent application is a whopping 448 pages long.)

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

gsgs | 27/08/2008, 10:49

can you prove, that Shaw is a "PR-Hack" ?

what about the problem that these claims are connected by logical - "or" ?

Hacks and Ors

perezoso | 27/08/2008, 10:54

perezoso

I'll leave it to you to judge CDC's spokespeople.

About the "or": It's not a problem. I have not read an "and".

The "or" there adds the 95% or more homologous DNAs (or RNAs). With or without the "or" and that last clause, the genes are still claimed. The "or" clause broadens the scope of the claim.

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

gsgs | 27/08/2008, 11:41

your link to table 1 doesn't work for me.

When you say : "this claim for _any_ (=every=each) polynucleotide that..."
I read : "this claim is for _some_ polynucleotide out of the group..."
(which one exactly will be further specified elsewhere)

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

perezoso | 27/08/2008, 12:00

perezoso

Apologies. There was a typo in the URL. It is now fixed.

You are correct that the claim is for "some" polynucleotides. Which polynucleotides?

Well, the claim says it: "[polynucleotides] wherein said polynucleotide comprises (a) a plasmid taken from Table 1 (or its insert), [or b, ones 95% or more like it].

There's just no question about the claim.

A lot of my family are from Georgia, and I grew up hearing all the great things about CDC. It took me a while dealing with them (on other issues at first) before I understood that when it comes to things like patents, they don't always tell the truth, or even half the truth. Especially with CDC's current leadership.

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

gsgs | 27/08/2008, 13:14

ahh, you can't assume that they are claiming for a patent on all the 150 plasmids from table1
and even for all strains with >=95% homology to any of those , [or more exactly on all nucleic acid molecules
which comprise polynucleotides which comprise such a plasmid] ?

A/IDN/5/05(H5N1) HA-mutA is just (coincidentally) at position one in that list of 150,
which even includes strains from 1934 and 1918.

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

gsgs | 27/08/2008, 13:21

I still think that stricly logically, in (1), they just "claim" for [patent on] one molecule
out of a list of many. And for which one exactly of these isn't being told in (1),
they just give a list in descriptive form, which I'm not even sure exactly determines the
set of plasmids and inserts in question.

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

gsgs | 27/08/2008, 13:23

not "some polynucleotides" .
I said "some polynucleotide"
(singular)

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

perezoso | 27/08/2008, 13:39

perezoso

Sorry, the system doesn't work that way and it doesn't that. We might wish that it did; but....

I've done biotech patents for more than a decade. There is almost always some room to argue about claims; but what I am telling you is correct.

I'm not assuming anything. I am telling you what is clearly stated in the patent.

Further, the Indonesian position at #1 is anything but coincidental. The plasmid is presented as exemplary. Would you argue that it's also a coincidence that of the dozens of illustrations in the 400+ page patent, that illustration of the Indonesian one was placed on the front page? It's there because it's exemplary.

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

gsgs | 27/08/2008, 14:31

well, it's not in claim 1, but apparantly in claim 2:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=US2007004506&WO=2007100584&DISPLAY=CLAIMS

2. The nucleic acid molecule of claim 1 which is plasmid VRC 9123 (or its insert) or an analog of said plasmid or insert having at least 95% identity thereto

VRC9123 is that Indonesia-mutant
plasmid (I don't know what a plasmid is)

in claims 2-151 they just list the 150 strains from claim 1.

But it's still "or". They claim for the Indo-strain - plasmid - polynucleotide- molecule

_or_ an analog with 95% homology. They probably mean _and_ . But then, how can they claim for all these virus-strains and even all others with 95% similarity, that's absurd.

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

Perezoso | 27/08/2008, 14:58

Yeah, the subsequent claims repeat, in effect, the first. One reason why this is there because if the patent examiner disallows one or more claims, the others are left standing.

A plasmid is simply a loop of DNA (like the picture on the front) that can be used in a lab or, in this case, as a therapeutic. The key function of the plasmid is to deliver the gene of interest (in this case the Indo HA) into the body, whereupon it starts to produce the protein it encodes, triggering an immune reaction.

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

gsgs | 27/08/2008, 15:21

seems, that _if_ they are claiming for code of partial,
slightly modified Indonesian sequences, then they are also claiming for code of almost
any influenza virus , genes
HA,NA,NP,M. With that 5% tolerance they are covering almost anything.

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

Rieux | 27/08/2008, 21:49

After having a good read of the WIPO patent, doing some BLAST-ing and poking around the USPTO's regs, I have to say this is disturbing.

The claim that the CDC is merely patenting the application of the inserts as a vaccine doesn't seem to hold.

It is perfectly legal (though to my mind terribly troublesome) for entities to patent isolated but unmodified genes (according to the USPTO). The problem is then that Indonesia will not be able to use the sequence, which was at the time provided in good faith to the GISN, as a component of any synthetic vaccine (DNA or sub-unit) they may produce.

They will, of course, be able to use the original virus as a seed for an attenuated or inactivated vaccine - given this would keep the HA gene in an 'nonisolated' form - but these manufacture methods are likely too slow for a pandemic scenario

If the intent of the patent was simply to patent the process of mutating HA genes to make them more immunogenic (for instance), why include an insert of H5N1, and not just use a seasonal variant as the exemplar?

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

gsgs | 28/08/2008, 04:55

better make a list of sequences
which aren't patented yet
than otherwise.
Can anyone claim for a patent
on a flu-sequence ? What does it cost ?

I'd like to have
A/Guangxi/50/2001(H5N1)

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

gsgs | 28/08/2008, 06:15

yes, exemplary.
So the Indo-sequence could be replaced everywhere when it's being used as an example with any other of the 149 plasmids/inserts.

Without changing anything in the patent-claims

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

Perezoso | 29/08/2008, 08:18

Correct. Another of the plasmids could have been used. Patent applications, however, try to put their best and most convincing foot (example) forward. Here, they probably make the Indonesian one exemplary because the clade A/Indonesia/5/05 is in represented the latest and greatest in viral threats.

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

gsgs | 29/08/2008, 08:55

and if another strain had been used for the examples, would it ever
had found your attention ?

Re: Are CDC's PR Hacks Lying about Patent Claims?

Perezoso | 29/08/2008, 15:43

Absolutely yes.

There are at least a couple dozen patent applications of interest, a number of which I've written up here and in other places.

And there are some that have yet to be written about.